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BBQRibs · Aug 09, 2006, 02:56 PM // 14:56

This thread only makes me anticipate the end of the workday so I can go home and play my Mesmer

Network · Aug 09, 2006, 03:02 PM // 15:02

One problem with mesmers is that most of them are unattractive, please, someone give me 1 picture of a good looking male or female mesmer with out that common hair.

Skyy High · Aug 09, 2006, 03:45 PM // 15:45

Lich was a necro, man...

MSecorsky · Aug 09, 2006, 03:56 PM // 15:56

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Lich was a necro, man...

... who had aspirations of changing his primary to mesmer so he'd have the love and respect of his fellow undead.

Not many people know that.

anonymous · Aug 09, 2006, 03:57 PM // 15:57

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Originally Posted by Network

One problem with mesmers is that most of them are unattractive, please, someone give me 1 picture of a good looking male or female mesmer with out that common hair.

...............
a characters looks doesnt make them bad.

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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

In PvP, I've used (on occasion in AB's) empathy + SS (should be a Mes skill) on tanks & they'll respectfully step aside while I run past them on my way to where I'm going. And if they don't, they die quite fast

Off topic, people tank in pvp? Humans have agro?

Reine Stormshroud · Aug 09, 2006, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by Network

One problem with mesmers is that most of them are unattractive, please, someone give me 1 picture of a good looking male or female mesmer with out that common hair.

... does this have anything to do with the effectiveness of the mesmer? uh, no.

Kook~NBK~ · Aug 09, 2006, 06:23 PM // 18:23

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Originally Posted by anonymous

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Off topic, people tank in pvp? Humans have agro?

OK, let me clarify: If I do that to a melee class character, W/* for example,
the smart ones won't attack & leave me alone so I can go about my business. If they DO attack - sux to be them. (because I've got a couple of other surprised for them as well.

)

In AB's I do think that Humans do indeed have aggro. It's called "OH! there's someone out there running off by themselves - KILLLLLLL!!!!

quiarrah · Aug 09, 2006, 07:19 PM // 19:19

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Originally Posted by Network

One problem with mesmers is that most of them are unattractive, please, someone give me 1 picture of a good looking male or female mesmer with out that common hair.

I happen to think MY mesmer is quite CUTE!

(my icon)

**cosyfiep** · Aug 09, 2006, 07:26 PM // 19:26

I LOVE playing my mesmer....like people have posted, its NOT an easy class to play straight out of the box, you need to learn it (and yes, a good computer can really help the interupts you do).....and most of what you do you dont get credit for.....but its fun to play (even if you have to pug the whole chapter)...my mes is a ranger too so people DO see what I do sometimes.....

Mr.H.Mishima · Aug 09, 2006, 08:45 PM // 20:45

I finished the Titan Source quest with 2 Mesmers, one Monk and me (W/R). That should tell you something about them.

noblepaladin · Aug 09, 2006, 08:49 PM // 20:49

To play a Mesmer optimally, you need to change your build for just about every mission. Every mission has different monsters with different weaknesses, and Mesmers can destroy the enemies if you have the right skills.

People who say that Mesmers are not useful in PvE because they do not do massive damage don't know what they are talking about. Sure, Eles, Necros, and Barrage rangers do much more damage than a Mesmer. However, why do groups want monks then? Monks do almost no damage unless they are running smite (and no PuG wants smite monks). The fact is, damage isn't everything. It's funny that PuGs want two or more monks. <sarcasm> What happened to massive damage? You got two or three guys sitting around doing no damage! </sarcasm>

A tank uses high armor and defensive skills to absorb physical damage. A mesmer uses interrupts and shutdown to absorb/negate enemy sleeps and enemy heals. When a mesmer interrupts that Meteor shower, she has effectively healed the party for several hundred hit points. The trade off between an interrupt and damage prevented and damage dealt to the enemy is simply amazing. Also, Mesmers are not crappy damage dealers. People claim that warriors have the highest damage per second (DPS). This is true in a long sustained battle between competent players (i.e. PvP), but it is a bunch of garbage in PvE. A warrior does a fraction of what a Barrage ranger, Ele nuker, or a Minion Master can do, because computer controlled mobs are stupid. A Mesmer easily outdamages a standard PvE warrior. Simply cast two empathies and you are doing about 60 DPS, much more than what a standard warrior can do. Mesmer damage also increases relative to the other classes because most of the Mesmer spells does not depend on the enemies armor or the enemies level, whereas almost all of the other classes have spells that do depend on enemy armor and level. As monsters get stronger, other characters do less damage. Mesmers always do the same. While a Mesmer should not be a primary damage dealer (Elementalists and Necros are better at it), they certainly do a significant amount of damage. (In certain situations, the Mesmer can become a primary damage dealer. For example, the Shiverpeaks have so many necro and water hexes, shatter hex becomes the strongest AoE spell in that particular part of the game).

Note that Mesmers are the most difficult class to play well because there is no one build you can use for every mission in PvE (tankers, nukers, healers, MM, can use virtually the same build with minor tweaks depending on the area). Mesmers need to switch from anti-melee, anti-caster, hex remover, interrupter, etc depending on the mission and what the party needs. Therefore, some experienced players are hesistant to take a Mesmer because they do not know if the Mesmer knows what she is doing, whereas an intermediate nuker who copied a build for the forum can do an acceptable job. However, the main cause of the Mesmer hate is simply because most PuGs don't know what Mesmer do.

led-zep · Aug 09, 2006, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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Originally Posted by lagrand1

Why are people talking about how tough they are? Obviously you can ignore a hex here or there, and just not cast when backfire is on you.

What?...
Huh?...
Not casting is the same as letting the mesmer win?
Oh, never mind.

lol exactly, to kill a monk isnt always what a mes is doing, to shut him down for the duration of backfire can cause all sorts of trouble and then to follow with an interrupt or 2 can leave a team screaming for heals. if the monk panics and casts through backfire then its a hell of a bonus.

Trvth Jvstice · Aug 09, 2006, 08:57 PM // 20:57

Mesmers aren't hated as far as I can tell. I believe most players that has played for a while has tried the mesmer profession and realize what powerful things they are capable of. It's one of the professions that weeds out the bad players. If you're playing a mes and you don't know what you're doing, you're not gonna play it for long. I just wish the bad assassins would go the same route

Age · Aug 09, 2006, 09:06 PM // 21:06

Monks don't do any damage because ppl want a healing or protection Monk and playing Monk is a challenge unlike playing a Mesmer or any other castor class.Esther Feast is not good enough to keep you alive epecially in poison.

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People who say that Mesmers are not useful in PvE because they do not do massive damage don't know what they are talking about. Sure, Eles, Necros, and Barrage rangers do much more damage than a Mesmer. However, why do groups want monks then? Monks do almost no damage unless they are running smite (and no PuG wants smite monks). The fact is, damage isn't everything. It's funny that PuGs want two or more monks. <sarcasm> What happened to massive damage? You got two or three guys sitting around doing no damage! </sarcasm>

Mesmers do have their place in the game it is trying to balance out a party.I really hate diversion and chaos storm as diversion I can't use one of my healing or protect skill for 25sec.

MSecorsky · Aug 09, 2006, 09:12 PM // 21:12

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Originally Posted by Age

Monks don't do any damage because ppl want a healing or protection Monk and playing Monk is a challenge unlike playing a Mesmer or any other castor class.Esther Feast is not good enough to keep you alive epecially in poison.

Mesmers do have their place in the game it is trying to balance out a party.I really hate diversion and chaos storm as diversion I can't use one of my healing or protect skill for 25sec.

Monk: Watch little red bars... see one go down... click it... press '1'

Mesmer: Shuffle through enemies seeing who's doing what... interrupt this one, damage that one, Ineptitude on the warrior...

Not to degrade monking, I've done my share. But once you're good at it and have a good set up the job simplifies greatly. Mesmers, on the other hand, require a much more dynamic playstyle, with cycling through the enemies, targetting threats currently unattended to, and making them hurt themselves very badly. I would offer that of the casters, a mesmer is probably the most difficult to play, with necros a close second.

Age · Aug 09, 2006, 09:26 PM // 21:26

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Monk: Watch little red bars... see one go down... click it... press '1'

Mesmer: Shuffle through enemies seeing who's doing what... interrupt this one, damage that one, Ineptitude on the warrior...

Not to degrade monking, I've done my share. But once you're good at it and have a good set up the job simplifies greatly. Mesmers, on the other hand, require a much more dynamic playstyle, with cycling through the enemies, targetting threats currently unattended to, and making them hurt themselves very badly. I would offer that of the casters, a mesmer is probably the most difficult to play, with necros a close second.

That all depends though.When some one dies you don't get blamed for it or someone is crying out for a res.Playing a Necro is not that hard but there are far to many MMs.I watch more than just red bars I watch the whole screen if I have to kite here and there and radar.I don't just look at health bars.

Vahn Roi · Aug 09, 2006, 09:29 PM // 21:29

Aside from Pre-Ascalon, I have not seen much mesmer hate.

Did I miss something?

MSecorsky · Aug 09, 2006, 09:30 PM // 21:30

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Originally Posted by Age

That all depends though.When some one dies you don't get blamed for it or someone is crying out for a res.Playing a Necro is not that hard but there are far to many MMs

True on the necro, thought after the fact that I should have mentioned build specific.

However, being 'blamed' for a death hardly means that a monk is more difficult of a class to play, just that they have to take more crap for other peoples mistakes. On the flipside, I see monks get a lot of credit for a good job too.

Credit that never gets shared with the mesmer that cut down dramatically the enemies damage output and overall health.

But such is the life of a mesmer.

Divineshadows · Aug 09, 2006, 11:16 PM // 23:16

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Originally Posted by lg5000

In pvp, mesmers are well-liked as long as they're on your team!

Install GW, create a mesmer, and be amazed at how little mesmer hate there really is in the game

Eviscerate = big time mesmer hate

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Originally Posted by makosi

The biggest threat to a mesmer is another mesmer.

No, a warrior in their face or a sin chaining their combo is the biggest threat to a mesmer. Next biggest threat is from an interrupt ranger. Mesmers are only the 3rd largest threat to a mesmer.

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Originally Posted by Krieger

Mesmers aren't very popular in PvE, but in PvP, they're generally pretty feared. If you've never had problems with a mesmer, you've never played against even a half decent one.

QFT. I much enjoyed my guild's match against yours Krieger. It was just too bad that your sin kept drawing me away from the flagstand for much of the match otherwise I would have had much more fun continuing to multitask interrupting you while slowing down your warriors with cripple and blackout.

MSecorsky · Aug 09, 2006, 11:20 PM // 23:20

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Originally Posted by Divineshadows

Eviscerate = big time mesmer hate

No, a warrior in their face or a sin chaining their combo is the biggest threat to a mesmer. Next biggest threat is from an interrupt ranger. Mesmers are only the 3rd largest threat to a mesmer.

Depends on the build of the mesmer. If I'm in my Illusion build, those aren't a threat. I actually seek out warriors and assassins.